First LOF post

10/29/2012

Your initial post is due on Friday, November 2, 2012, and your response to a classmate is due Sunday, November 4, 2012.

Read the essential question, and write a thoughtful post. You must cite at least one passage from Lord of the Flies to support your thinking about the question. Your post must be at least 100 words. Adhere to the structure of Claim, Evidence, Elaboration. See model below.

Your response to a classmate must also be thoughtful. You must respond to at least one other classmate. Your response must be at least 50 words. No citation from the text is necessary for your response.

1. What is an individual's responsibility to a community?

An individual's responsibility is to care about those who live and work within the community. For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Piggy demonstrates this characteristic of caring about the boys on the island. He not only wants to know all of the boys' names, he notices the missing boy at the end of chapter 2. He says, "'That little 'un that had a mark on his face--where is--he now? I tell you I don't see him'" (46). Piggy's nature is to show concern for those around him, and this is how human beings should act toward the people in their communities.
102 WORDS--WRITE IT FIRST IN A WORD DOCUMENT AND THEN CUT AND PASTE INTO THE FORUM. THIS IS HOW YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY WORDS YOU'VE WRITTEN.

Red = CLAIM
Green = TEXTUAL EVIDENCE
Blue = ELABORATION

Aron I. Period 5

10/31/2012 11:58:17 am

Claim:
An individual’s responsibility is to fulfill their purpose or role in their community so that their community is able to accomplish its goal or stability.

Evidence:
For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Piggy was always trying to help in his own way but the other boys don’t even bother to listen to his ideas. When Piggy scolds the group of boys on the island when they make the fire by saying something like “How can you expect to be rescued if you don’t put first things first and act proper?”(45).

Elaboration:
Piggy always tries to do what he can to help the group survive until they get rescued, and this is how people should act in their communities so that the society doesn't lose its stability.

Brandon Yip Period 5

11/3/2012 05:01:25 am

Great job on the response. I like how you showed Piggy's skills for responsibility and the way you typed that. This taught me that the person that has the most leadership skills and intel should be the leader not the person that looks the most reliable. It doesn't matter by appearance but only the mind and heart of the person.

lika m. period 5

11/4/2012 07:51:22 am

Your example made me consider how much Piggy is crucial to the other boys, except that the other boys do not realize it. In addition, Piggy is always seen as a pest or a shadow that is no help, when really he has done plenty for the others. He knows what to do in order for everyone to survive by the time they get rescued. Communities need people to be able to know how to act and lead others, in order to prevent chaos. An individual must act properly and do what their role. That is their sole responsibility in their communities.

Tara D., Period 5

11/4/2012 10:37:09 am

I liked how you elaborated more on your evidence which made me understand how your view of how an individual's role should be in a community. However, I think that the other boys would not listen to Piggy's ideas because they would not listen to someone who looks less superior then they are just because he is fat, wears specs and has asthma. Also, Jack and Ralph probably never gave him the chance to talk because he felt threatened that a kid like Piggy was smarter than he was, even though Piggy was not the chief's.

Wei L. Period 5

11/4/2012 11:17:10 am

I definitely agree with what you said about Piggy. This taught me that Piggy is a leader that can reason with others in his own way. I think that he is the one who tries really hard to tell the other members what to do. I think this is what people in the community should do.

Andrew L. , Period 5

11/4/2012 11:43:42 am

This quote makes me consider about the charismatic skills that Piggy takes on. His veracity in his attitude demonstrates his eagerness to promote general welfare for the greater good of his mutual friends. His virile experiences allow him to be more skilled in outdoor survival and organization of the society.

Ms. Sutton

10/31/2012 12:43:11 pm

Well executed! Bravo!

Andrew L. , Period 5

10/31/2012 02:33:16 pm

An individual's responsibility is to take about a leadership position and help others and give to them with the quality of charisma. For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Ralph demonstrated his leadership by being gregarious as well as being the one who true leadership. He demonstrates it by having the voice and skills. He organizes the group, saying, “ ‘The choir belongs to you, of course.’ ‘They could be the army—’ ‘Or hunters— ’ ‘They could be—’ ”(23). Ralph’s charismatic ways has helped to shape who he really is and what he really does best for the greater good of the organization of the social community.

Ms. Sutton

11/1/2012 06:38:12 am

Next time, Andrew, make sure to label the CLAIM, EVIDENCE, ELABORATION format. It is clearer to the reader, especially in this format.

Alex D. Period 5

11/12/2012 09:15:07 am

I agree. Every society needs leadership or else there would be no order. Everything would be chaos and anarchy. Leadership will make rules and standards and will help create and shape a society.

Dinh T, Period 5

10/31/2012 02:56:38 pm

Claim:
An individual’s responsibility to a community is to contribute and to help lead others to the right direction if something isn’t right to keep stability.

Evidence:
For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by WIllam Golding, Piggy is able to demonstrate this by participating and helping other people. Even though Piggy is treated poorly by the other boys, he still shows concern and tries to lead them in the right direction. “We ought to be more careful…You said Ralph was chief and you don’t give him time to think. Then when he says something you rush off…”(45).

Elaboration:
Piggy contributes by guiding people into the right direction to survive on the island until they are rescued. This helps the community keep things in order and not out of hand.

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Ms. Sutton

11/1/2012 06:41:46 am

You must introduce the passage you are quoting. It should not stand alone. For example, write, Piggy says, “We ought to be more careful…You said Ralph was chief and you don’t give him time to think. Then when he says something you rush off…”(45). Passages you use as evidence should not stand alone. They need to be introduced in some way.

Jacelyn K., Per 5

10/31/2012 03:07:31 pm

Claim: An individual's role in the community is to offer his best behavior and fulfill his role as a productive member of society.

Evidence: In Lord of the Flies, by William Golding, Piggy says, "...Ralph says 'fire' you goes howling and screaming up this here mountain. Like a pack of kids!' 'How can you expect to be rescued if you don't put first things first and act proper?'" (45)

Elaboration: Piggy is the only one that understands the troubles and responsibilities they have to undertake to get rescued. He knows that the boy's behavior is unacceptable in a society and strives to change it even if he lacks leadership. Piggy knows that everyone has to play their part if a rescue is going to take place. In that quote, he tries to get the rest of the boys to understand the severity of their situation.

Dinh T, Period 5

11/4/2012 03:17:08 am

I agree with you because if people don’t behave or act proper in a society, there would be a lot of chaos. I believe that Piggy should be the leader since he is straightforward and tells everyone that they are being stupid. This contributes to leadership because it makes people think more about their actions.

Courtney Thong Per 5

11/4/2012 12:42:58 pm

Your response made me realize how Piggy should be the leader instead of Ralph. Piggy speaks up more than Ralph does. Being a leader shouldn't be scared to say anything if someone is doing it wrong and commands the group. I feel like Piggy would is being ripped off.

Eric Lo,Period 5

10/31/2012 03:33:23 pm

Claim:
An individual's role or part in a community is to help and create a stable support foundation for the community to be built on.

Evidence:
For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Piggy was in charge of watching the boys but he couldn't do his job when all of the boys were just running around and playing. Then Ralph goes ahead and scolds him for doing a job that is impossible when they probably don't even have a body count." How could i with them little 'uns running around like insects?"(46).

Elaboration:
Piggy always tries to keep the group together and contributes ideas that will help the group not hurt it. But no one listens and its not his fault if he can't contribute to the community because no one is willing to listen to him. No one is willing to spend a few minutes listening to something that can change the way they live for the better.

Alvin O. per. 5

11/2/2012 03:33:40 pm

I definitely agree with your post, Eric. I believe it can totally relate to my post in saying that similarly both of our posts discuss about an individual fulfilling their purposeful role in their community in order to create a sort of stabilization. These communities are in need of any type of contribution so that they can survive.

Justin Tang Per 5

11/4/2012 03:32:09 am

I agree with your claim, that people need to help create a stable community for it to prosper. If they were all taking names, then they would of knew everyone faster and come together as 1 at the island. The little kids wouldnt be so scared and they would grow faster.

An H., Period 5

11/4/2012 10:13:10 am

Creating a stable community is not always a one person job. I agree with you when you said everyone should cooperate and listen to others. Not only is it effective, it can also put less stress on the other person. I think that Ralph shouldn’t have scolded Piggy just because he did not write down all the names, because Ralph is also partially faulted too.

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Jeffery W., Period 5

11/4/2012 11:53:50 am

I agree with your claim because there is always a “leader” in society. If there were no one to lead, then it would lead to chaos and disorder of society. It reminds me of my claim because I said there needs to be a person who help people and show leadership abilities.

Jacelyn K, Per 6

11/5/2012 04:49:38 am

I totally agree with your response to the question. Piggy is the only one in the group that shows appropriate behavior as part of a community. Unfortunately, no one listens to him as the humanity in the boys start slipping away.

Dawson W., Period 5

11/1/2012 10:09:09 am

Claim: A individual responsibly is to follow rules. Respect and understand how things are run and not be dishonest about anything they do wrong.

Evidence: For example in the book, LORD OF THE FLIES, by William Golding, there are rules in the story. That rule is whoever has the conch is the one where everybody has to listen to the person who has it. When piggy gets the conch he uses it properlly," ' I got the conch, ' " said piggy indignantly. " ' You let me speak!' "(42).

Elaboration: Piggy is explaining that whenever you have the conch you are in charge and that everyone is listening to the person holdind the conch. Showing that the conch is tge best thing to have cause your always in charge and no one can offend you.

Cergio A. Period 5

11/6/2012 11:19:26 am

I agree with your claim since in the real world it is expected by everybody to follow the rules or "laws". And that if someone were to disobey the laws then the people who are in control then take action to settle things to normal.

Lika M.

11/1/2012 01:19:38 pm

Claim: An individual’s responsibility to a community is to act according to the laws made in order to maintain order and prevent chaos.

Evidence: For example, in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Ralph takes the conch and states, “ We’ve got to have special people for looking after the fire. Any day there might be a ship out there’ – he waved his arm at the taut wire of the horizon—‘ and if we have a signal going they’ll come and take us off. And another thing. We ought to have more rules. Where the conch is, that’s a meeting. The same up here as down there ’”(42). Jack replies, “’I agree with Ralph. We’ve got to have rules and obey them. After all, we’re not savages. We’re English, and the English are best at everything. So we’ve got to do the right thing ‘”(42).

Elaboration: Ralph wants to make sure that they get rescued someday. He and Jack clearly state that the sole responsibility of everyone is to follow the rules that were set, that the laws are to be enacted including the rest of the island. They want to live the civil ways as they used to when they lived in England by setting up those rules.

Jeffery W., Period 5

11/2/2012 05:24:21 am

Claim:
An individual’s responsibility is to help others when needed and display leadership abilities.

Evidence:
For example, in “Lord of the Flies” by William Golding, Ralph said “ ‘There’s another thing. We chose those rocks right along beyond the bathing pool as the lavatory. That was sensible too. The tide cleans the place up. You littluns know about that’ “ (80).

Elaboration:
Ralph was elected as leader and decided to enforce the rules. They decided on rules to follow which they only followed for about three days and then they started disobeying the rules for the island. Ralph called the meeting to clear the misunderstanding and wanted the rules to be clear to everyone.

Tara D., Period 5

11/2/2012 08:40:52 am

Claim: An individual's responsibility to a community may vary, but one must be responsible of leading the others on how things should be the right and fair way so that the community stays stable.

Evidence: For example in the novel, LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, Ralph demonstrates this characteristic of leading but in a kind of demanding way and says, "Seems to me we ought to have a chief to decide things" (22).

Elaboration: Ralph contributes this responsibility of leading their community but only gets elected because he had the conch. Still, by giving the suggestion it shows his characteristic but he does not really know how to be a good leader to the other boys. Some people should act like this to have a stable community but they should always do it fairly and justly.

Eric Lo, period 5

11/4/2012 06:10:13 am

People can not make decisions for themselves. Like for Republic's they have people who they elect to make decisions for them. I feel that this is what piggy is trying to do. Establish a system of government so the community will run smoothly. Yet everyone thinks its a stupid idea because they only listen to the person with the conch. They have to be able to adapt to new ideas and learn from new perspectives so they will survive longer.

Brandon Yip Period 5

11/2/2012 09:59:07 am

Claim:
An individual's responsibility to the community depends, some can be the leader or someone has a different job for their group.

Evidence:
For example, in Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Piggy demonstrates this characteristic by being the smartest one of the group. He has that responsibility to take care of the entire group of kids. In the story it says, "That little 'un that had a mark on his face-where is- he now? I tell you I don't see him" (46).

Elaboration:
The quote shows that Piggy actually knows who is missing and who is not. Piggy took responsibility of the entire crew better than Ralph. Some people should start acting like Piggy because he is mostly doing all of the work for the community.

Aren Lim Period 5

11/2/2012 11:33:03 am

Brandon, I think that what you said was correct. Not every community is the same. It does greatly effect depending on the leader. Some people are aware of their community more than others, and sometimes an individual has to take moe control than others.

Aren Lim Period 5

11/2/2012 11:28:46 am

claim: I think an individual's responsibility to a community is to be aware of their surroundings.

Textual Evidence: An example of this is from the book LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, when Piggy and Ralph scout out for names of the boys. "Secure on the other side of Ralph, Piggy spoke timidly.
'That's why Ralph made a meeting. So as we can decide what to do. We've heard names. That's Johnny. Those two-they're twins, Sam 'n Eric. Which is Eric-? You? No-you're Sam-' "

Elaboration: In this quote, it shows that Ralph is taking action to get to know everyone's name, getting aware of his surroundings. Piggy is also interested in leaning every boy's name, because he is aware that a good society needs a great social system.

Alex D. Period 5

11/2/2012 02:25:26 pm

Claim:
There are many responsibilities of an individual to their community, but perhaps the most important is that one must be responsible of leading the others and taking charge on how things should be in their society. This person would demonstrate and enforce the just and fair rules so that the society stays in control.

Evidence:
For example in the novel LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, Ralph demonstrates his leadership skills to the group, however in a rather demanding way and he says, "Seems to me we ought to have a chief to decide things" (22).

Elaboration:
Ralph takes this responsibility of leading and controlling their society, however instead of being elected because of his skills, he only gets elected because he has possession of the conch. Still, this quote demonstrates Ralph's characteristic but he is doing it the wrong way. Leaders should be nice and just and fair to everybody instead of what Ralph is doing. Some people should act like this to have a stable community but they should always do it fairly and justly.

Alvin O. per. 5

11/2/2012 03:05:58 pm

CLAIM- An individual's responsibility in their community is to carry out the duties they are able to do and the duties that are meant for them.
EVIDENCE- Although there were times where a person would attempt to play a role that wasn't meant for them, they would end up sooner or later doing something that would greatly contribute to thier community. For example in the novel, LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, Piggy attempts to play a partial role in leading the group by trying to gain some recognition and respect for helping find the conch. But later, it was shown that Piggy was a voice a reason that shed some light on the outcome of officious and wild behavior of the group when they started the fire. He expressed this reason by saying," 'Then when you get here you build a bonfire that isn't no use. Now you been and set the whole island burns up? cooked fruit, that's what we'll have to eat, and roast pork. And that's nothing to laugh at! You said Ralph was chief and you don't give him time to think. Then when he says something you rush off, like, like-' " (45).
ELABORATION- This is an important issue and our society also because if people to play roles that weren't meant for them, it may cause some serious problems for the community.

James Zhijie R., Period 5

11/4/2012 11:19:11 am

I agree with you how you said that people in the community must carry out the role that are meant for them. Because if someone in the community tried to carry out duties they are not adapted to, it is obvious that they won't do a satisfying job. Therefore, it will lead to creating a malfunctioning community.

Dawson W., Period 5

11/5/2012 12:35:01 pm

I agree cause in all commuity people should have to respect and carry out there duties. Take charge and do thier duties to make the commutiy a better place and not have it turn out to be the worst place you would ever want to be at. Commutiy having duties mean that there is somethig keep order and not let balance fall out of place.

Wei L. Period 5

11/2/2012 03:30:04 pm

Claim: An individual’s responsibility to a community is to know your peers and always look out for them.

Evidence: For example in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Piggy notices that one of the boys was missing and the other boys had no clue to what happened. "'That little 'un that had a mark on his face--where is--he now? I tell you I don't see him. Where is he now?” The crowd was silent as death."'

Elaboration: Piggy was the only person in the community that actually looked out towards their peers. Even the two leaders had no clue what this happened. People in their communities should always look out for one another and not just depend on the leader to do what is supposed to be done.

Aron I. Period 5

11/4/2012 09:50:57 am

I think that you made a very good example. Your claim made me think that people should care for one another and be able to stand on their own. If people could care for each other and also be independent to a certain extent, then the community would be able to maintain its stability and order.

An H., Period 5

11/2/2012 04:26:13 pm

Claim: An individual's responsibility is to contribute to the community. Every person’s job can be different, but the results should at least help the community, even if it is just a little.

Evidence: For example, in LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, Piggy says, “’The first thing we ought to have made was shelters down there by the beach. It wasn’t half cold down there in the night. But the first time Ralph says ‘fire’ you goes howling and screaming up this mountain. Like a pack of kids!’” (45).

Elaboration: Here, Piggy not only try to give them advice on what they should be doing, but also scold them and try to help them realize what they have done wrong, so they don’t commit the same mistake again.

Cally M, Period 5

11/6/2012 01:32:53 pm

I agree with your statement that a person's responsiblility in a community is to contribute, no matter what the contribution is. Piggy does contribute to the group by advising them on shelter what they should focus on.

Justin Tang Per 5

11/2/2012 04:26:41 pm

Claim: An indiviual's responsibility in their community is to take leadership in a time of need. When times are not so high, someone needs to take the role of commander.
Evidence: In the novel, LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding, Jack demonstrates this characteristic when he states, "We've got to have rules and obey them. After all, we're not savages. We're English, and the English are best at everything."
Elaboration: Jack wants rules to stabilize their community on the island. He wants to make it as realistic to their own homes before. Jack knows what they need in order to survive on that deserted island.

Courtney Thong Per 5

11/2/2012 04:34:19 pm

Claim
An individual's responsibility is to don't trust people in your community.

Textual evidence
" I don;t care what they call me," he said confidentially, " as long as they don't call me what they used to call me at school." "what was it" "They used to call me Piggy." Ralph shrieked with laughter. He jumped up. "Piggy! Piggy!"

Elaboration:
Piggy appreciate Ralph so much that he told me his secret. After Piggy told him his secret all he did was just laugh, Piggy realize he shouldn't have told him. It wasn't nice of Ralph to laugh when Piggy trusted him. so much. Ralph even told the other guys, which wasn't nice since they started to call him Piggy.

James Zhijie R., Period 5

11/4/2012 09:45:03 am

Claim: An individual’s responsibility is to cooperate with the people within their community.

Evidence: In Lord of the Flies by William Golding, when Piggy was asked by Ralph to take all the names of each kid, none of the kids listened to Piggy. After the trio left the meeting to explore, most of the kids just went off in their own directions. When accused of not doing his job, Piggy lost his temper and claimed, “‘How could I,…. All by myself? They waited for two minutes, then they fall in the sea; they went into the forest; they just scattered everywhere. How was I supposed to know which one was which?’” (46).

Elaboration: This is a perfect example of what people should't be doing within their communities. The kids’ actions showed absolutely no cooperation towards working with Piggy. They should’ve listened to Piggy and told him their names. This is exactly how people should act towards each other in their communities.

Kai harris

11/4/2012 10:04:37 am

An individuals responsibility is to help the community prosper and thrive with economic and social growth. Their responsibility is to do what they must without jeopardizing the people around them but all the while maintaining a positive outlook. A individuals responsibility is to vote and recycle.

Cally M, Period 5

11/6/2012 01:26:11 pm

A person’s responsibility to their community is to serve the members by performing actions that benefit everyone as a whole. For example, Jack’s responsibility is the serve as chief. Jack carries out his job by attempting to bring order to the group of boys by creating rules. “We can’t have everybody talking at once. We’ll have to ‘Hands up’ like at school… I’ll give the conch to the next person to speak.” (33). He also organized the brief exploration of the island, bringing along Jack and Simon. His leadership is shown through his establishment of rules because chiefs are supposed to govern. As chief, he, directs and guides the other boys

Cally M, Period 5

11/6/2012 01:28:09 pm

Claim: A person’s responsibility to their community is to serve the members by performing actions that benefit everyone as a whole. For example, Jack’s responsibility is the serve as chief.

Textual Evidence:Jack carries out his job by attempting to bring order to the group of boys by creating rules. “We can’t have everybody talking at once. We’ll have to ‘Hands up’ like at school… I’ll give the conch to the next person to speak.” (33).

Elaboration: He also organized the brief exploration of the island, bringing along Jack and Simon. His leadership is shown through his establishment of rules because chiefs are supposed to govern. As chief, he, directs and guides the other boys

Cergio A. Period 5

11/7/2012 09:35:05 am

Claim:An individuals responsibilty is to share equal amounts of food with their community, even for the ones who didn't help catch the meal.(48)

textual evidence: When piggy says," Out I have none?Jack says,"you didn't help catch the pig", piggy says," nither did ralph"

elaboration: What I'm explaining is that its important for people to be caring for others even though they may not to talk them or don't know them because every soul counts when any surprise situation comes up. In fact, for people to not be greedy with things that are shared with others when someone else is excluded out.

Jeanette F., period 5

11/12/2012 09:29:59 am

Claim:
It is everyone's job to help save everyone. No one should be left out.

Textual Evidence:
"'Aren't I having none?' ... 'You didn't hunt.' 'No more did Ralph,' Piggy wtly, 'nor Simon.'"

Elaboration:
I chose this qoute because, it shows that the boys are losing their civilizd ways. They are putting Piggy aside. Piggy is the ony one that knows what needs to be done.

Benjamin L., Period 5

11/14/2012 01:50:57 pm

Claim:
An individual’s responsibility is to be respectful to one and another. It is never a nice way to treat someone trash just by saying it or by judging their appearances. Also, allow the person to speak and don’t talk back or jump in to their conversation.

Evidence:
For example, in the novel, Lord of the Flies by William Golding, Jack was not nice and respectful kid to piggy or to someone of the other campers. Jack mostly disliked Piggy even though Piggy was trying to help them or teach something. Jack always blocks or jumps in to Piggy’s announcement such as “Oh, shut up!” “I got the conch, said Piggy, in a hurt voice. “ I got a right to speak.”

Elaboration:
Jack shows that he doesn’t like Piggy and doesn’t want to hear Piggy talk. Jack doesn’t want to obey one of the rules of the island. Which says that anyone with or holding the conch is allow speaking, while the person that does not have a conch should not talk back or even interrupts to the person with the conch.

Robert Carrasco

11/15/2012 08:44:57 am

I agree because, Jack was a total jerk to Piggy. He always did interrupt him and never let him speak out. Even when Piggy had the conch, Jack didn't care he just called Piggy a name and but in.

Robert Carrasco

11/15/2012 08:42:56 am

Claim: What it mean is to respect everyone. Don't be a jerk and treat people like trash. Treat everyone the same and don't make fun of how the way they look. Jack is like this to Piggy he always interrupted Piggy when he tried to say something.

Evidence: An example would be the book Lord of Flies, by William Golding. When Piggy tried to say something to everyone Jack would interrupt Piggy and call him names. At of everybody Jack disliked Piggy the most. When Piggy try to teach about a lesson to everybody Jack comes in and blocks his lesson. Another example was when Piggy told Ralph about his secret. Ralph later on tells everybody. ( textual evidence) I don;t care what they call me," he said confidentially, " as long as they don't call me what they used to call me at school." "what was it" "They used to call me Piggy." Ralph shrieked with laughter. He jumped up. "Piggy! Piggy!"

Elaboration: Jack basically shows Piggy that he doesn't like him. All he does is calls Piggy names and always never lets me him speak out. Ralph another he didn't keep his promise about telling everyone about Piggy's secret.

Dominic Garcia Per.5

11/18/2012 01:27:32 pm

Claim: It's for a person to take responisbilty and know what to do and when to take action.

Evidence:For example in Lord Of The Flies by William Golding, When the boys head to where they hear a noise Piggy was the only boy to ask the boys their names and what they could do.

Elaboration: Piggy tells Ralph and Jack the boys their names and what they can do to survive until they get rescued.

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